What a Salesforce Complaint Tells Us about Real-time and CDPs

(Written with Tony Byrne . You can follow us here: The Real Story Group )

Update 27-Sep-2023: A previous version mentioned Thunderbird instead of Thunderhead. Thanks Alexander O'Grady.

Over the past five years Salesforce has taken a rather confused approach to customer data management, puzzling analysts like me, but also causing more than a little heartburn among enterprise clients trying to figure out how much “there” was there.  

Now along comes a whistleblower complaint from a former executive suggesting that one of Salesforce’s much-vaunted innovations was actually a Potemkin village. As frequently happens, an HR dispute lurks behind the complaint, and neither you nor I know what really went on in San Francisco. But it’s still worth exploring to better understand Salesforce as a vendor, as well as the nature of what “real-time” bodes in a Customer Data Platform (CDP) context.

The Complaint

The complainant is Karl Wirth, formerly a VP of product management at Salesforce, and now working at a competing vendor, Treasure Data. Previously, he was co-founder and CEO at CDP vendor Evergage, whom Salesforce acquired in 2020. 

Wirth’s complaint alleges that Salesforce’s announcement at their September 2022 Dreamforce Conference that the newest version of their CDP named “Genie” can “process and deliver” data in real-time was not actually true. In fact, claims Wirth, Genie did not have real-time capabilities. Not just that, real-time capabilities did not even lie on Genie's roadmap. 

To quote from the complaint:

“While it was able to execute some functions such as information collection in real time, other operations such as the processing and organizing of that data took hours to complete.”

Wirth also alleges:

“the CDP team wanted to redefine the meaning of ‘real-time,’ so that it could falsely claim that the CDP operated in real-time, when in fact many of its processes took several hours.”

What’s up here?

A Brief History of Salesforce and CDPs

Salesforce initially shunned the emerging CDP marketplace. Salesforce Marketing Cloud then-CEO Bob Stutz claimed in this 2018 interview:

“I think it [CDP] is a passing fad. Or really more of a temporary state…”

A year later in Nov 2019, Bob Stutz shared in a blog post (which has been updated now to remove this):

“I am excited to share today that Salesforce is building the first enterprise-grade Customer Data Platform.”

Meanwhile, Salesforce kept acquiring vendors to build out customer data-oriented capabilities, including marketing analytics vendor Datorama and data integration player MuleSoft.

Anyways, Salesforce announced “Customer 360 Truth” in 2019, then acquired Evergage CDP in 2020. After a brief period of getting pitched as a CDP, Evergage ultimately replaced Thunderhead as Saleforce’s self-styled journey orchestration engine, called “Interaction Studio,” though later recast as a personalization offering. Then in 2021 came “Salesforce CDP” – a somewhat thin offering that seemingly ran on legacy infrastructure.  A subsequent and somewhat confusing release of “Genie Data Cloud'' followed in 2022.  Finally, in 2023 most of these pieces found a home in one of Salesforce’s signature multi-platform agglomerations, this one called “Data Cloud.”  Got all that?  

Genie caused more than a little excitement after the somewhat yawn-inducing release of Salesforce CDP the previous year.  And it’s Genie that then VP Wirth took issue with.

Since the Data Cloud is really an admixture of different platforms, it’s hard for the customer to know what key parts actually do work in real-time.  A web-based data collection SDK presumably works in real-time.  But what about the rest?

Real-time isn’t easy to prove or disprove

Why is this all so opaque?  In part, Salesforce itself has been vague and hyperbolic (“the first”) around its various releases.  The pending legal action may or may not reveal more.  

The other reason is that in a practical business scenario, doing real-time processing and activation is very complex and requires several components to behave in real-time for full effect.

Consider the following graphic that shows different steps in a customer data life cycle.

This reference model describes several steps across multiple stages that are required from ingesting raw data to finally activating it.

Now, if you wanted everything from left-to-right in real-time, all the steps in between will have to be in real-time as shown below:

This essentially means that if even a single step in-between – say segment revaluation, data enrichment, or some other calculation that takes time – your real-time ambitions will go for a toss. Of course, given the wide scope of what might fall under one particular CDP over another, some vendors can credibly claim that a specific operation lies outside their platform. But even then, the larger point remains that “real-time” requires a lot of real-time capabilities across your customer data ecosystem.

And therefore, it is very difficult to squarely point out what’s causing a delay in your real-time processing. And as a corollary, even if a CDP vendor says they can do real-time, you need to take those claims with a grain of salt and evaluate in context of your own data ecosystem.

What to make of all of this

In my experience, all MarTech vendors exaggerate, and many obfuscate – and Salesforce will sometimes do both.  Meanwhile, I’ve noticed that among RSG’s enterprise subscribers, Salesforce’s martech offerings tend to get inherited or imposed, rather than selected forthrightly as part of a test-based, competitive process.

Yet competitive testing is exactly what you need to do before licensing any MarTech platform, and especially CDPs, where so many different claims get asserted.  RSG’s exhaustive CDP vendor evaluations can give you a leg up in this process, and we can advise you on how to get the best CDP fit for your particular circumstances.  But ultimately it falls to you to define what you mean by “real-time,” and then test a plausible set of vendors concretely against that.

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