Session Start: Thu Jul 16 09:58:32 2009 Session Ident: #xproc [09:58] *** Now talking in #xproc [10:00] *** Zakim has joined #xproc [10:01] Zakim, this is xproc [10:01] ok, PGrosso; that matches XML_PMWG()11:00AM [10:01] * PGrosso Zakim, [Arbortext] is PGrosso [10:01] * Zakim +PGrosso; got it [10:01] * PGrosso Zakim, who is on the phone? [10:01] * Zakim sees on the phone: PGrosso [10:01] Meeting: XML Processing Model WG Date: 16 July 2009 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/07/16-agenda Meeting: 149 Chair: Norm Scribe: Norm ScribeNick: Norm [10:01] bleh [10:02] zakim, please call ht-781 [10:02] ok, ht; the call is being made [10:02] +Ht [10:02] Meeting: XML Processing Model WG [10:02] Date: 16 July 2009 [10:02] Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/07/16-agenda [10:02] Meeting: 149 [10:02] Chair: Norm [10:02] Scribe: Norm [10:02] ScribeNick: Norm [10:03] +Norm [10:03] zakim, who's on the phone? [10:03] +Jeroen [10:03] zakim, jeroen is Vojtech [10:03] +Alex_Milows [10:03] On the phone I see PGrosso, Ht, Jeroen, Norm, Alex_Milows [10:03] +Vojtech; got it [10:03] *** Norm changes topic to 'XProc WG meets 16 July: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/07/16-agenda' [10:03] *** alexmilowski has joined #xproc [10:04] Present: Paul, Henry, Vojtech, Norm, Alex [10:04] Regrets: Mohamed [10:05] Topic: Accept this agenda? [10:05] -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/07/16-agenda [10:05] Accepted. [10:05] Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting? [10:05] -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/07/02-minutes [10:05] Accepted. [10:05] Topic: Next meeting: telcon 23 July 2009 [10:06] No regrets heard. [10:06] Topic: Implicit output ports on p:declare-step [10:07] Norm: We agreed to wait two weeks, I haven't seen any discussion. Any discussion now? [10:07] Proposed: Change the spec to state that the implicit output port binding does not apply to p:declare-step. [10:07] Accepted. [10:08] Topic: Add [c:]encoding to the output p:data [10:08] Norm: Also held over from two weeks ago. [10:08] Norm: I haven't seen anything about this either, any discussion? [10:09] Proposal: Add the attribute. [10:09] s/Proposal:/Proposed:/ [10:09] Accepted. [10:10] Topic: Storing to a non-existing directory [10:12] Norm: What do we want to do in this case. For the record, Saxon at least, creates the path. [10:12] Vojtech: We don't create the path at the moment. We overwrite existing files, too. [10:13] Norm: I don't think I create the path either. [10:13] Alex: Why isn't this implementation defined? [10:13] Vojtech: If you can't create the path, then at the moment you can't create the directory. [10:14] Norm: As an implementor, I'm tempted to create the path, but I don't have any problem with making it implementation defined. [10:15] Norm: Three choices: MUST NOT, MUST try, or implementation-defined. [10:15] Alex: I'm for implementation-defined. [10:15] Proposed: Make this explicitly implementation-defined. [10:16] Alex: Do we have an error code for this? [10:17] Norm: I think it would be err:XD0021. [10:17] Alex: Doesn't have permissions isn't the same as doesn't exist. So it might be handy. [10:17] Vojtech: There's also err:XC0050 in p:store which is specifically for the case where p:store couldn't store to that location. [10:18] Norm: Right. [10:18] Alex: So do we say when you should throw which? [10:18] Norm: I think we give implementors pretty blanket freedom to throw 21 whenever they want. [10:19] Any objections to the proposal to make it implementation-defined? [10:19] None heard. Accepted. [10:20] Topic: 141: xsl:message output from p:xslt [10:20] Norm: I don't think we want to do anything here, but I thought I'd raise it. [10:21] -Alex_Milows [10:21] +Alex_Milows [10:22] Some discussion of how messages may or may not be like stderr on p:exec. [10:22] Henry: So he could run the transformation by exec and grab stderr? [10:23] Norm: I suppose that would work. [10:23] Proposed: Close with no action. [10:23] Accepted. [10:25] Topic: Default processing model progess? [10:25] Norm: Henry, any progress? [10:25] Henry: No, I've had other W3C priorities. [10:26] Norm: Ok. We'll leave it on the agenda. [10:26] Topic: Test suite progress? [10:26] Norm: It's important that we have a complete test suite if we want to get out of CR. [10:27] Vojtech: I made progress with serialization in my implementation, so I'll be writing new tests there soon. [10:27] Topic: Any other business? [10:27] Congratulations Vojtech on the release of your processor! [10:28] No other business heard. [10:28] Adjourned. [10:28] -Alex_Milows [10:28] -PGrosso [10:28] -Norm [10:28] -Vojtech [10:28] rrsagent, draft minutes [10:28] -Ht [10:28] XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended [10:28] Attendees were PGrosso, Ht, Norm, Alex_Milows, Vojtech [10:28] * Norm curses [10:28] Why didn't rrsagent join? [10:29] * Norm and me playing with a new IRC client, I hope it's logging locally [10:29] probably because I invited Zakim so you didn't have to and that made you forget to invite rrsagent which I never think to do--sorry. [10:29] I do have a local log, so let me know if you need it. [10:30] Ahh. [10:30] What happend then wasI typed /invite zakim, to some weird error, then zakim joined [10:31] So I assumed it worked even though I got an error, then when I got the same error for rrsagent, I ignored it. [10:31] * Norm dumb [10:31] do you need my local log? [10:31] checking [10:33] yes, please send it to me, I'm not sure I've got it. [10:33] thanks, PGrosso [10:33] will do. Session Close: Thu Jul 16 10:33:37 2009