Minutes Telecon 2014-04-02
- Resolved: FPWD for
will-change.
- Resolved: FPWD for CSS Scoping
- Resolved: Modification of the validity of an unknown prefix in selectors and insertion of namespace rules.
- Fantasai expressed that she still believes moving
subgrid to level 2 of Grid would create accessibility issues that would be hard to rectify even after level 2 is released. TabAtkins stated that he still believes that the inclusion of subgrid in level 1 will cause too much of a delay to implement before shipping. The discussion will continue on the mailing list with sylvaing recommending a focus on use-cases instead of general speculation on what adopters may or may not do.
- Resolved: Use percentage values for key arguments and map from/to keywords to 0% and 100% respectively in Animations.
- Resolved: Keytext on setting invalid value should throw an error in Animations.
- The various other Animations questions concerning
keyframes all revolved around reaching consensus on how browsers implement the spec. Sylvaing will solicit feedback from the browsers to ascertain the best path to compatibility and then move to solve the other issues.
- It was agreed that global keywords should be excluded as
custom-ident values, but there still isn’t a clear path on how to decide what other keywords should be excluded. Discussion will continue on the mailing list.
- Resolved: Add q unit to Values and Units.
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CSS Flexbox Level 1 Revision 1 Last Call for Comments
The CSS Working Group has published a Last Call of CSS Flexible Box Layout Level 1 in order to gather feedback on recent changes. Flexbox is a new layout model for CSS: the contents of a flex container can be laid out in any direction, can be reordered, can be aligned and justified within their container, and can “flex” their sizes and positions to respond to the available space. This is an update to fix various problems, particularly in the layout algorithm, found through implementation review and experience during the Candidate Recommendation phase. The CSSWG is not revoking the call for implementations: we’re just issuing an LCWD to process the changes.
To help with review and with correctly updating implementations, exact diffs since the original Candidate Recommendation, and their justifications, are available in the Changes section. A Disposition of Comments is also available. The Last Call comment period ends 22 April 2014: please either send comments by then, or request an extension.
As always, please send feedback to the (archived) public mailing list www-style@w3.org with the spec code ([css-flexbox]) and your comment topic in the subject line. (Alternatively, you can email one of the editors and ask them to forward your comment.)
Minutes Telecon 2014-03-26
- Glazou asked that those that volunteered to speak at the event with the Korean government following the Seoul F2F message him with proposed topics.
- Resolved: Rename to extent and measure
block-size and inline-size in Writing Modes.
- TabAtkins and fantasai discussed the proposed agreement that they came to for combinators and pseudo-elements in Shadow DOM. They also brought to the group their proposal for CSS Scoping which includes their above solution, some styling text from Regions, and new proposed syntax of
@scope.
- Resolved: Editor’s Draft for CSS Scoping.
- Granting a FPWD for CSS Scoping will be considered at next week’s telecon after the potential issues are integrated into the document.
- Specific details on how the group will handle asynchronous decision making was decided:
- All requests will go through the co-chairs.
- Co-chairs will post the request for decision on both the www-style list and the internal working group list as well as the twitter account.
- Most decisions will be given at least a week for comments with urgent and administrative decisions potentially being given shorter periods.
- The group agreed in principle with twk’s proposal for CSS Ruby being in line with HTML5′s treatment. fantasai will look specifically at fixing the spec.
- dbaron’s question about handling how style changes interrupt an already-running transition and put it on a different path was discussed with Google’s implementor being willing to help him come up with a solution.
- Resolved: Move to matrix for the serialization of the computed value for Transitions.
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CSS Writing Modes Candidate Recommendation
The CSS Working Group has published Candidate Recommendation of CSS Writing Modes Level 3 and invites implementations. CSS Writing Modes Level 3 defines CSS handling of various international writing modes, such as left-to-right (e.g. Latin or Indic), right-to-left (e.g. Hebrew or Arabic), bidirectional (e.g. mixed Latin and Arabic) and vertical (e.g. Asian scripts).
Changes since the last Working Draft include renaming text-combine-horizontal to text-combine-upright and a handful of clarifications.
As always, please send feedback to the (archived) public mailing list www-style@w3.org with the spec code ([css-writing-modes-3]) and your comment topic in the subject line. (Alternatively, you can email one of the editors and ask them to forward your comment.) We would especially appreciate reviews of the layout rules, since they’re complex and likely to still have errors…
CSS Shapes Level 1 Candidate Recommendation
The CSS Working Group has published a Candidate Recommendation of CSS Shapes Module Level 1. The specification describes geometric shapes for use in CSS, and allows these shapes to be applied to floats. When a shape is applied to a float, inline content wraps around that shape instead of the float’s margin box.
The only changes from the last Last Call draft were in code examples.
All changes to the draft over the last few publications are listed in the Changes section.
As always, please send feedback to the (archived) public mailing list www-style@w3.org with the spec code ([css-shapes]) and your comment topic in the subject line. (Alternatively, you can email one of the editors and ask them to forward your comment.)
Minutes Telecon 2014-03-19
- In general people preferred meeting on the Monday and Tuesday of TPAC. Plinss will fill out the request for those days.
- From the Flexbox conversation:
- Resolved: Accept proposal for issue 19
- Resolved: Accept change for issue 3
- Resolved: No change, floats computes to specified value on flex items. (Issue 32)
- Resolved: No change for issue 33
- Resolved: Accept decision of the editors for initial value of align-items (Issue 25)
- Resolved: Take Flexbox to LC with a 4 week period
- Resolved: Use
-- prefix to define var in Syntax.
- Glazou brought his concern about the
namespacerule being unnecessarily limiting for authors. Some work arounds were discussed and feeling seemed to be a bit mixed. Conversation will continue on the mailing list.
- Fantasai re-iterated her concerns about removing
subgrid from level 1 of Grid. TabAtkins stated he agreed in principal with her arguments, but didn’t think shipping could be delayed long enough to get subgrid ready. Due to lack of time the conversation will continue on the mailing list.
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Minutes Telecon 2014-03-12
- Resolved: Take Shapes to CR.
- Resolved: Update Namespaces spec.
- Resolved: Rename measure and extent in Writing Modes to
inline-something and block-something with “something” TBD ASAP.
- SimonSapin will lead the conversation on the mailing list to decide what word will replace “something”.
- Resolved: Publish a new WD of Lists.
- TabAtkins brought his proposal to the group to resolve the discrepancy between using combinators and using pseudo classes in Shadow DOM by creating redundancy. There was a lot of disagreement about the value of building redundancy and about the need to keep to the time-table requested by Google. There was lack of consensus from the working group about a final solution and therefore none of TabAtkins’ proposals were resolved upon.
- The group responded favorably to the proposal of having a pseudo-class to track user changes, but wished to gather more information about use cases. TabAtkins will head up gathering use cases.
- Some issues with last week’s resolution were discussed to further clarify/refine the restrictions on
custom-ident. A desire was raised to have a global list of restricted values as well as a desire to ensure that the solution minimize opportunity for confusion for authors or spec writers.
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Minutes Telecon 2014-03-05
- The group responded positively to krit’s proposal for multiple mask layers, but expressed a desire to see it move with borders. Krit and Rossen will continue the discussion on the mailing list.
- Resolved: Reject the first comment from this e-mail regarding Shapes.
- Resolved: Defer luminance to level 2 of Shapes
- Astearns hopes to make the needed changes to again ask for Shapes to go to CR next week.
- Resolved:
custom-ident is restricted only in cases where actually ambiguous parsing-wise. Specs referencing it should be clear about what is excluded.
- SimonSapin will publish the public version of CSS2.1 and Fantasai will make sure it appears on the current work pages.
- Fantasai and Rossen expressed that they think Fragmentation will be able to transition to CR by the end of the year, leaving the Timed Text WG in the clear.
- Resolved: Change keywords in Masking to be
fill-box and stroke-box.
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CSS Syntax Level 3 Candidate Recommendation
The CSS WG has published a Candidate Recommendation of the CSS Syntax Module Level 3. This module describes, in general terms, the basic structure and syntax of CSS stylesheets. It defines, in detail, the syntax and parsing of CSS – how to turn a stream of bytes into a meaningful stylesheet.
This is a complete rewrite of the obsolete 2003 draft. It describes CSS tokenization and parsing in imperative recursive descent style, and exhaustively covers error handling. Additionally, the An+B syntax used in :nth-child() and related Selectors is now described in terms of the same tokenizer as the rest of CSS.
Changes since the Last Call Working Draft are listed in the Changes section.
As always, please send feedback to the (archived) public mailing list www-style@w3.org with the spec code ([css-syntax]<<) and your comment topic in the subject line. (Alternatively, you can email one of the editors and ask them to forward your comment.)
Minutes Telecon 2014-02-26
- SimonSapin requested that CSS 2.1 be posted on a publicly available site. Though most of the group agreed with him that it should be public, there was much discussion on how to handle importing the log of previously private comments.
- Resolved: plh will handle the comments log from CSS2.1 over the next two weeks. If no objections are made to it becoming public, SimonSapin will move CVS to mercurial.
- ChrisL will publish the errata document for Media Queries 3.
- TabAtkins requested that Font Loading be brought to LC. The group requested another week in order for TabAtkins to finalize some edits and for everyone to have a chance to review the document further.
- Krit reminded everyone to review CSS Masking and give comments before it goes back to LC.
- TabAtkins reported that he had reviewed the implications of switching Shadow DOM from combinators to pseudo elements that Fantasai suggested. Mostly he found no issue, but was concerned about
shadow-deep. TabAtkins and Fantasai will meet in person later this week and report their conversation back to the mailing list.
- Resolved: Accept TabAtkins’s proposal for Counter Styles and reject the comment from Xidorn in the disposition of comments.
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