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Immortality
This nOde last updated April 23rd,
2024 and is permanently morphing...
(first emerged February 20th, 2002)
Question: If you could live forever, would you and why?
Answer: I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever. -- Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss USA contest
immortality
immortality
(mr-tl-t) noun
1. The quality or
condition of being immortal.
2. Endless life or
existence.
3. Enduring fame.
Immortality
Deathlessness should
be arrived at in a . . . haphazard fashion. Loving fame as
much as any man, we shall carve our initials in the shell of a
tortoise and turn him loose in a peat bog.
E. B. White
(1899-1985), U.S. author, editor. "Immortality," in New Yorker
(28 March 1936; repr. in Writings from the New Yorker
1927-1976, ed. by Rebecca M. Dale, 1991).
Immortality
To achieve great
things we must live as though we were never going to die.
Luc Vauvenargues,
Marquis de (1715-47), French moralist. Reflxions et Maximes,
no. 142 (1746).
Immortality
Perhaps nature is our
best assurance of immortality.
Eleanor Roosevelt
(1884-1962), U.S. columnist, lecturer. "My Day," syndicated
newspaper column (24 April 1945).
Immortality
He had decided to live for ever or die in
the attempt.
Joseph Heller (b. 1923), U.S. author.
Catch-22, ch. 3 (1961), of Yossarian.
Immortality
Every idea is endowed
of itself with immortal life, like a human being. All created
form, even that which is created by man, is immortal. For form
is independent of matter: molecules do not constitute form.
Charles Baudelaire
(1821-67), French poet. My Heart Laid Bare, sct. 102 (written
c. 1865; published in Intimate Journals, 1887; tr. by
Christopher Isherwood, 1930; rev. by Don Bachardy, 1989).
Immortality
Immortality is what
nature possesses without effort and without anybody's
assistance, and immortality is what the mortals must therefore
try to achieve if they want to live up to the world into which
they were born, to live up to the things which surround them
and to whose company they are admitted for a short while.
Hannah Arendt
(1906-75), German-born U.S. political philosopher. Between
Past and Future, ch. 2 (1961).
Immortality
I don't want to achieve immortality through
my work . . . I want to achieve it through not dying.
Woody Allen (b. 1935), U.S. filmmaker. Quoted
in: Edward Lax, Woody Allen and his Comedy, ch. 12 (1975).
What is history? Its
beginning is that of the centuries of systematic work devoted
to the solution of the enigma of death, so that death itself
may eventually be overcome. That is why people write
symphonies, and why they discover mathematical infinity and
electromagnetic
waves.
Boris Pasternak
(1890-1960), Russian poet, novelist, translator. Nikolay
Nikolayevich, in Doctor Zhivago, ch. 1, sct. 5 (1957).
Universal Immortalism:
The belief that death can be overcome completely, even for
people already dead.[R. Michael Perry] - Terminology From
The Omega Point
Theory List
"he's not dead, really... as long as we
remember him... " - McCoy re: Spock, in _Star Trek II:
The Wrath Of Khan_
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After Enkidu's
death, Gilgamesh
seeks to learn the secret of immortality from a
sage who tells him that
a plant in the sea bestows eternal
youth. Gilgamesh finds
the plant but loses it. The Gilgamesh epic was widely studied
and translated in ancient times, and Greeks incorporated
elements of it into their epics.
So everything lingers
but a moment,
and hastens on to death, The plant and the insect die at the
end of summer, the brute and the man after a few years; death
reaps unweariedly. Yet notwithstanding this, nay, as if
this were not so at all, everything is always there in its
place, just as if everything were imperishable... This is
temporal immortality. In consequence of this,
notwithstanding thousands of years of death and decay, nothing
has been lost, not an atom of the matter, still less anything
of the inner being, that exhibits itself as nature.
Therefore every moment we can cheerfully cry, 'In spite
of
time, death and decay,
we are still all together!'"
- Shopenhauer
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Some people remain big fans of Teilhard de Chardin's
apotheosis - the notion that we will all combine into a single
macro-entity, almost literally godlike in its knowledge
and
perception.
Tipler speaks of such a destiny in
his book
_The
Physics of Immortality_
, and
Isaac
Asimov offers a similar prescription as mankind's
long-range goal, in
_Foundation's
Edge_
. I have never found
this notion particularly appealing -- at least in the standard
version in which the macro-being simply subsumes all individuals
within it, and proceeds to think just one thought at a time. In
Earth, I talk about a variation on this theme that might be more
palatable, in which we all remain individual while at the same
time contributing to a new layer of planetary consciousness --
in other words we get to both have our cake and eat it too. At
the opposite extreme, in the new 'Foundation' novel, that I am
currently writing as a sequel to Asimov's famous novels, I make
more explicit what Isaac has been painting all along -- the
image that conservative robots who fear human transcendence,
might actively work to prevent a human singularity for thousands
of years, fearing that it would bring us harm. In any
event, it is a fascinating notion, and one that can be rather
frustrating at times. A good parent wants the best for his or
her children, and for them to be better. And yet, it can be
poignant to
imagine
them -- or perhaps their grandchildren -- living almost like
gods, with omniscient knowledge and perception, and near
immortality.
But when has human existence been anything but poignant? All of our speculations and musings today may seem amusing and naive, to those descendants. But I hope they will also experience moments of respect. They may even pause and realize that we were really pretty good for souped-up cavemen.
- David Brin -
_Comments on Vinge's Singularity_
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...life expectancy in
Shakespeare's day was about 30 years. (That's why Shakespeare
wrote of himself so often as aging and declining in sonnets
written when he was only in his early 30s.) In England,
100 years ago, life expectancy was still less than 40 years
among members of the working class. It was 60 around the
turn of the century of this country. It is now 72.
Even if Bjorksten, Segall, Phedra, and the hundreds of other
longevity researchers are overly optimistic, even if we can
raise lifespan only 50 per cent in this generation, that still
means that you will probably live at least 30 years past the
projected 72."
"This revolution can't
be defined in ordinary terms, either scientific or
spiritual. Our whole understanding of science and faith
is being radically mutated. Just this year, Dr. Ronald
Bracewell, professor of engineering and astronomy at Stanford,
and Dr. Frank Drake, astronomer at Cornell, announced their
belief that "we'll learn the secret of longevity from space
aliens who are trying to communicate with us right now."
These are distinguised men who are careful of their
reputations. Dr. Drake later wrote in the prestigious Technology
Review of M.I.T. that he now believes the majority of
advanced races in this galaxy have immortality."
- Robert Anton
Wilson - _The
Illuminati
Papers_
published (
1980)
Phoenix
(mythology)
Phoenix (mythology), legendary bird that
lived in Arabia. The phoenix consumed itself by fire every 500
years, and a new phoenix sprang from its ashes. In ancient Egypt the phoenix represented the sun.
Early Christian tradition adopted the phoenix as a symbol of
immortality and resurrection.
I asked the spirits to show
me Shakespeare.
They said, "okay" (they are not always so accommodating). He was
a
magical being of great
size and power, made of energy. There were a million spirits in
the form of fizzy colored
lights
dancing around him, like tiny
Japanese lanterns or candleflames,
helping him as he wrote, his pen scrawling across the
quantum Void. James Joyce was
there as well - he was like a little pendant resting on
Shakespeare's desk. I recognized that part of the artist's
spirit went directly into their creations. Their spiritual power
depended on the earthbound public's continued desire for their
work. That is the deeper meaning of the artist's
quest for immortality.
- Daniel Pinchback - _Breaking Open The Head_ (online version)
1980 interview:
GEORGE CARLIN: As much as I
love my family, I enjoy it when the house is empty, because
then I know I'm truly alone, as we all are on the planet,
after all. You know, every atom in us is originally from a
star. And during my
moment
of aloneness, I'm most mindful of that; that I'm just another
group of matter randomly but wonderfully arranged. That's when
I feel my immortality.
PLAYBOY: Your immortality, as in afterlife?
CARLIN:
Not in the christian sense, but I do believe in the
survivability of the human spirit. We were all part of a giant
explosion once, and we've come a long way. The incredible
distances of past and future time, the history of this whole
fucking, vibrating,
resonating
mother mass - that's what I read and think about more than
anything else.
"Frankly, I'd find
life a bore if I weren't playing for very high stakes in a
very high risk situation. We do have the chance now, for Utopia and even for
immortality. If we who see this opportunity aren't smart
enough, adroit enough, and fast enough to seize the chance,
then we don't deserve to initiate the next stage of
evolution...
Meanwhile, until they shovel me under, I still think our side
is winning and that the power brokers that you worry about are
a bunch of dying
dinosaurs."
"We should always try
to have a reality-tunnel
this week, bigger, funnier, and more hopeful than we had last
week, and we should aim even higher next week. Besides,
paranoia is a Loser script; it defines somebody else as being
in charge around here except me. I prefer to define myself and
my friends as the architects of the future. If David
Rockefeller has the same idea about himself and his friends,
well, the future itself will decide which coalition was really
on the Evolutionary
Wave:
the Money people or the Idea people"
- Robert Anton
Wilson, 1977 interview with
_Conspiracy Digest_
post rock release
_Millions Now Living Will Never Die_ by Tortoise on
Thrill Jockey #025 (1996)